For the most part Bush simply listened, although he and then-advisor Karl Rove both laughed when Podhoretz mentioned giving “futility its chance”, a phrase used by another neoconservative, Robert Kagan, regarding pursuing United Nations sanctions against Iran. "He gave not the slightest indication of whether he agreed with me, but he listened very intently" Podhoretz said. ‘No need for using nuclear weapons’ Podhoretz is convinced, however, that “George Bush will not leave office with Iran having acquired a nuclear weapon or having passed the point of no return” – a reference to the Iranians’ acquisition “The president has said several times that he will be in the historical dock if he allows Iran to get the bomb.
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